Curse

Artisan Archer · Jun 17, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

So, ecto's are cheaper. It has happenend before and it will happen again.

If you bought alot of ecto's: You knew the price wasn't fixed, it can go down, it can go up, no-one guaranteed a fixed price for ecto's.

Alright so smth happenend to make the price go down, USE YOUR BRAIN, sell your ecto's buy smth else or just store it for the time being (unless you are so rich it doesn't fit in your xunlai account, in which case I'd say: buy smth pretty.)

Radeus · Jun 17, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because the people who don't use the SF farming build are being left in the dust. I'm reading some comments from people saying they have earned over 100 ectos a day from this farm. The poor... ie, the average person who doesn't farm 24/7, is getting left behind.

And yes, the value of ectos is going down, but that means the price of EVERYTHING else goes up. Stuff that used to cost 100k+20e will start to creep up in price since ectos aren't as valuable, putting stuff further out of reach of the average player.

Also, note, I'm not rich. I, like Malice, basically started over again. I have less then 300k total in ectos and gold on my account.

Ridiculous.

You speak of the 'poor/average person'. Well speaking as 'the poor/average person', the 'poor/average person' isn't going to be purchasing abundant amounts of items worth 100k+xxe whether it be prior or during this SF farming craze. And if you are purchasing these items, you can hardly be called the 'poor/average person' now, can you.

What this farming is doing however, is creating a positive change.

Formerly 'high end' items with fixed ecto requirements such as FoW armour and Chaos Gloves are now being more accessible to the average player due to the decrease in ecto prices. Even if you're not SF farming, the gold you have will be able to purchase a greater amount of ecto, thus enabling you to reach these goals more quickly.

I don't see anything wrong with the above. I welcome it.

In light of GW2, and movement of people from GW1 to GW2, gold at the moment has no real benefit other than skills, runes and to complete your hall of monuments with armour and weapons. Other than the few 'still exclusive' minipets that are past the 100k mark, the prices of these items will not change with fluctuating ecto price.

I personally believe that the bulk of people whining are those that will lose from this drop in ecto prices. ie, those that have an ecto hoard are seeing their 'stock' depreciate and are panicking and urging for the nerf.

To these people: Get over it. GW2 is on its way and apart from filling your halls with trinkets, your gold will be of no use when the majority of players move on. In addition, the bulk of people farming ecto at the moment will most probably not be selling it at the current 'low' prices, but will be using it for FoW armour/Chaos Gloves as mentioned above.

SF doesn't need a nerf.

How is this affecting me? Well.. this previously 'poor/average person' will be purchasing a set of FoW armour soon.

Ate of DK · Jun 17, 2008, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Because the people who don't use the SF farming build are being left in the dust. I'm reading some comments from people saying they have earned over 100 ectos a day from this farm. The poor... ie, the average person who doesn't farm 24/7, is getting left behind.

And yes, the value of ectos is going down, but that means the price of EVERYTHING else goes up. Stuff that used to cost 100k+20e will start to creep up in price since ectos aren't as valuable, putting stuff further out of reach of the average player.

Also, note, I'm not rich. I, like Malice, basically started over again. I have less then 300k total in ectos and gold on my account.

That's a comment that has been around since day 1.

I never bothered to create a 55HP monk because I liked my ranger more. Thus I got left behind in the dust when those damn 55HP farmed Grifons 24/7.

I never bothered to trap in the UW, because I didn't care about ecto's.
Damn, got left behind again.

Should they give me ecto's for free? No, when people decide to farm stuff, they dedicate time to it. Time that I spend in a different way and it gets rewarded in a different way.

The biggest reward GW can give me is: Having a good time.

Screen: And boy did I have fun during the last 34 months. Without much farming.

I'm not rich, I got 50K in storage and a few ectó's which I farmed with a perma-SF assassin which was a mule for 23 months and had a freaking sup. shadow form rune for whatever reason I can't remember.

TheRaven · Jun 17, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

You don't even need to roll a SF Sin to make money with this build. I just sold 2 Sup Shadow Arts runes for 15k a pop last night. Took about 2 minutes of advertising in Kamadan to sell them too.

Targren · Jun 17, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

You don't even need to roll a SF Sin to make money with this build. I just sold 2 Sup Shadow Arts runes for 15k a pop last night. Took about 2 minutes of advertising in Kamadan to sell them too.

Only 2 minutes?

Then you sold too low.

My price just went to 20.

RotteN · Jun 17, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

these threads are pure comedy seriously.

Why would anyone complain prices are dropping ? I mean, the only ones that should complain about that are the sellers (being the SF sins), but instead everyone is yelling OMG ECTO PRICES DROP NERF SF !

As far as i remember from the heap of economics they attempted to shove into my brain during my 5 years of university, more supply = better. It results in fair prices, low costs, and overall a better market for the consumer.

So stop complaining already.

Golgotha · Jun 17, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I sold ecto for 4.8k three weeks ago and sold over 40 ecto yesterday for 4.5k each. I don't think the economy is going anywhere. All we'll see are more FoW armors and chaos gloves. Anyone think this is to allow more players the chance at FoW armor before GW2 rolls around?

Yawgmoth · Jun 17, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Paul thy god

NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO USE PERMA SHADOW FORM.

This is single most retarded 'argument' i keep seeing everywhere in all threads about overpowered skills.
And I keep hearing crap like this every time there's a balance issue and some crybabies want to keep their easy mode.

If Anet carelessly added some more overpowered stupidity to the game, like a Shadow Form effect in a Consumable or did a 'subtle' buff of Protective Bond removing the energy loss entirely, or did something else that would throw any remnants of balance out of the window, there would still be dumb masses saying "Nobody forces you to use that"...

Golgotha · Jun 17, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

This is single most retarded 'argument' i keep seeing everywhere in all threads about overpowered skills.
And I keep hearing crap like this every time there's a balance issue and some crybabies want to keep their easy mode.

If Anet carelessly added some more overpowered stupidity to the game, like a Shadow Form effect in a Consumable or did a 'subtle' buff of Protective Bond removing the energy loss entirely, or did something else that would throw any remnants of balance out of the window, there would still be dumb masses saying "Nobody forces you to use that"...

Well, no one is. The difference between these buffs and others is that these are primarily effecting farming rather than general PvE. No one is forcing you to farm either.

Hailey Anne · Jun 17, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by undead living

i would say not signed but becuse of them constantly farming chaos planes makes ecto rates go down and pretty soon z keys will be the new from of high end cash payment,

AGAIN I say its NOT the farming of Chaos Plains that will make the prices drop.
WE control the prices if people would just stay away from the merchant except to buy and only sell to players the prices would never drop.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

crybabies want to keep their easy mode.

The "crybabies" are the ones on here bitching and moaning about ecto prices dropping because of SF when theyre not even dropping.
The ecto prices are still very steady t 4.8-5.5 like they have been for a LONG time.
That and its not even the farming that drops the prices.
Its the people who panic and sell all there ecto to trader that do it.

Snow Bunny · Jun 17, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

For the sole reason that Perma-SF is increasing the buying power of GW players, I'm going to /unsign this.

The economy is up; people can buy more, sell easily.

Sure, this is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game balance, but at this point, you need to nerf Ursan before you nerf this.

zamial · Jun 17, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

[QUOTE=Snow Bunny]... at this point, you need to nerf Ursan before you nerf this.[QUOTE]

QFT

Why do people start treads like this?

55 monk has not been nerfed.
105 builds have not been nerfed.

RotteN · Jun 17, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by zamial

55 monk has not been nerfed.
105 builds have not been nerfed.

55 builds have been nerfed (protective bond). The thing is, protective spirit cannot be "nerfed" to destroy 55 builds, because it would destroy the purpose of the skill itself. And since it's one of the most important prot skills, that won't happen.

That being said, seriously, stop QQing already, and go farm some ecto's :P

Hailey Anne · Jun 17, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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QFT

Why do people start treads like this?

55 monk has not been nerfed.
105 builds have not been nerfed.

They start threads like this because they have a stack of ecto that they are afraid will lose value(which it wont if people leave the merchent alone).
Its basically I dont want others to have what I have. So in other words theyre 10 years old and havent been taught about sharing.

TGgold · Jun 17, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

In my opinion, permaSF is a solo build. What people do to play solo with, I can care less about.

If you want to coordinate a team using standard team skills and whatnot, then do that. Nobody is forcing you to play SF.

Lastly, the game's been out 3 years. It's in a stretch now where people are simply left to grind out things until GW2 comes out...I'm glad I can do it faster now.

Master Sword Keeper · Jun 17, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

So lets see. Ol matey wants to nerf shadowform, ruin the game yet again and make enemies with a lot of hardcore farmers...

Godmode? What do you play? Commander Keen? Mate there is no such thing as godmode in Gw's.

SF can still be killed with Signets,traps,touch skill, PbAoe and degen (from traps)

There is no such thing as Godmode. Godmode..Hmm well there is Ursan but you need a monk for that. Just face it. Dont like it, Dont use it.

Hmm.. Oh well. Tough. IF you cant be bothered making a sin and farmin Uw.

GO make a monk and farm CoF. Nuff sed. Stop ruining it for everyone else. No one cares.
/notsigned

Kanyatta · Jun 17, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

some crybabies want to keep their easy mode.

Sums up basically everything that's been said thus far. The only downside I can see to nerfing perma-SF is the 10,000 threads that will arrive "ZOMG! EYE CANT ABUSE CHAOS PLANEZ ANEEMOAR!?!??!!!!"

Because of the whole farming craze, the average player who would like to just play the game the way it was meant to is now near forced to do SF/Ursan farming to try to keep up with the people who already have 2 stacks of ecto. Because of SF/Ursan, the quality of the game has plummeted.

Stockholm · Jun 17, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Because of the whole farming craze, the average player who would like to just play the game the way it was meant to is now near forced to do SF/Ursan farming to try to keep up with the people who already have 2 stacks of ecto. Because of SF/Ursan, the quality of the game has plummeted.

That's a lot of BS, you don't need too keep up with anyone. The average/casual player gets along fine without ectos.

Exception are those that are failures in Real life and are trying to make up for it in a virtual reality.

Hailey Anne · Jun 17, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Sums up basically everything that's been said thus far. The only downside I can see to nerfing perma-SF is the 10,000 threads that will arrive "ZOMG! EYE CANT ABUSE CHAOS PLANEZ ANEEMOAR!?!??!!!!"

lol if they DID nerf SF I'll just go on my ele and solo the chaos plains.
A/E is not the only ones that can solo UW.
There have been many solo builds before SF buff and there will be many if its nerfed.
So if they nef SF then they will need to nerf all farm builds.

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Because of the whole farming craze, the average player who would like to just play the game the way it was meant to is now near forced to do SF/Ursan farming to try to keep up with the people who already have 2 stacks of ecto. Because of SF/Ursan, the quality of the game has plummeted.

The game isnt meant for farming ectos thats optional so no one is forced to do anything.
Its their CHOICE to farm ecto or not.
If people want to play the game as its meant to then they will.

Stephen John · Jun 17, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

i have to /unsign the nerf. i was usually always poor never being able to afford anything but i was having fun. now with the perma sf it made farming real easy and worth it. now i am able to still play and have fun but if i want something now i can actually go and farm for it. So what if ecto prices are down? anyone remeber the drop from 10k-5k? that was a big hit to everyone but everyone got over it. so really just deal with it.